A Conversation with Jen Shankman, Greenwich Village Folk
Musician.


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Shankman is a young, very talented independent musician originally from
Westchester (she currently resides in the West Village) who, for the last
four years, has been regularly performing in the City and in other places
in the East Coast, such as Washington, D.C., Boston, and Maine, where she
regularly performs her original, unique music.
She has recently released her second CD, entitled "Under The Blue
Umbrella". Both are available online at Cdbaby.com, which is an
independent artists' website and at Folkweb.com

Upon listening to it,one can quickly feel her influences, which were,
for the most part, confirmed during a recent interview as she prepared for
a performance at The Real McCoy, on Staten Island.
Her first release, "Jenny In A Dress(1997) " sold out its first
printing mostly as she performed in colleges and did youth work, and her
most recent work is also doing well.
She is presently working on a third release, which she purposely is
taking slowly.
When she first started playing, she was quite influenced by the
Indigo Girls. That,however, quickly wore off,and she became "hungrier
for more". Upon listening to Shawn Colvin, she became "obsessed" about her
work - something that lasted for a few years. That influence , along with
others, - Patty Griffin is one she mentioned - is clearly felt in her
music - specially on Jenny In A Dress.
Jen was not always influenced by such soft music - she grew up
listening to "hair bands" and was initially influenced by them - "that was
what I wanted to do early on". However, as she began writing, she noticed
that the early musical influences which had come from her parents "struck
a chord" with her - classic Folk performers such as Peter Paul & Mary,
Joan Baez and the like. "I wouldn't say that they influenced my writing so
much", Jen says, "I just knew that folk, acoustic music was something that
was very real, and that kind of 'kicked me in the ass' - when I first
started writing, the stuff was really folky, which later developed into
something else."
She started singing when she was a child in second grade, and that grew
with her. While she was in college, she discovered the world of acoustic
music, and started writing and performing original music. She eventually
realized that "this was really a possibility, that I could be doing this -
I knew it wasn't the rock star vision of this that I had back when
was 18 - that's not as realistic if you're doing the kind of music I'm
doing, although a career is definitely possible."
That began - playing original music - in the fall of 1993, when she was
in Hamilton College, upstate New York , where she earned a degree in
anthropology (with a minor in music).
Once she finished school, she came to New York. For the
first couple of years, she took a full-time job, and basically didn't do
music. "That job basically made me realize that wasn't what I wanted to be
doing", she said as she giggled."A friend booked my first show in
Manhattan - He called me up and said 'you're opening for me tonight' and I
did , and it was great." A few months later, she began playing regular
gigs at The Bitter End.
Jen made it very clear that her family has always been supportive of
her music -something rare when children of traditional families make the
decision of becoming artists, "My dad is all for going after my dreams",
she told me, "he comes to every show at the Bitter End - they
follow me all over the place. My parents are really great about it. They
know it's not always going to be successes, but that sometimes it's going
to be slow. They're still supportive of all of it.
We asked her when she'd realized that she was going to really take the
plunge into playing professionally. She said that there was never really a
realization of that, but just the will to keep trying to make a career out
of her music, in addition to the other things she does. "If it pans out,
it pans out", she stated. "If it doesn't, I just keep doing what I'm
doing. I've certainly struggled with it, spent a lot of energy thinking
about it - but if you keep thinking too much about it, you make yourself
crazy, which makes you lose sight of why you're doing this in the first
place."
"When you're doing the independent thing, you have to be a
businessperson too. You can't just be a musician, dealing just with the
creative side. You have to be both sides of the thing - which I'm still
figuring out, whether I can do it or not."
As for being an independent musician, that is not really an option, but
she has yet to submit her work to large labels. She is not one of these
performers who just have to be independent as not to "compromise"
their work, such as Ani Di Franco, who remained independent for many years
during her career. "It's a lot of work - there's so much you really have
to be, or you have to have a good team behind you, whether they're friends
or family - people who have supported you early on."
Being independent was not a "conscious choice", says Jen. "I knew early
on that my kind of music might not be marketable - especially with what
there's out there now. I also hear stories about people who go to major
labels and get run around in there and eventually lose their deals anyway.
Why should I waste all that time when I can be on the road, playing gigs
around the country, making and selling my own CDs."
"I think the ideal situation would be to find an independent label with
the financial backing and a big enough team that's can help me out with
the distribution and promotion where I can still keep some of that myself
and not compromise everything else that I do."
In the meantime, she is distributing her CDs online and hitting the
road playing college concerts and clubs in Boston, upstate New York,
Massachusetts and other places. She is currently planning to play in
California - "the West Coast will be the next thing."
Although she usually plays solo, the upcoming concert at The Bitter
End will be a band show - "the guys who are playing with me are
amazing!",
In the beginning, she used to take the band to the college concerts,
but after a while it became difficult to always have a band, and for
various other reasons, she began doing solo performances.
The fact that she has been playing solo has contributed for her skills.
"After a year playing with the band - only with the band - I
started hiding behind them, and so when I started to play solo again,
which was back in April, it got kind of scary. I've slowly been
getting comfortable with the songs in a solo setting again."
"I'm more honest when I play alone", said Jen after I asked her about
it. "because it's not as rehearsed - when I get up there, I have the room
to slow down, to change something. With the band you don't have that, but
you do have that energy because I feed off the people that are up there
with me, and I think that the audience tends to do that too."
"It's nice to come out to a solo show, a mellow thing - and if you're
into that kind of music, it's great."
Jen plays a lot outside New York City. After the interview, she was
scheduled to play in Massachusetts, Boston and Upstate New York. We asked
her how she felt about that. "It's nice to feel like you're building up a
following in places more than just New York City. If I am going to shop
something around to labels, it helps when you already have a grassroots
following, because in case something goes wrong (if they drop me), I can't
be any worse than I was before. "
"Also , there are certainly places in the northeast where they're more
receptive to this kind of music. Not that New York isn't, but here there's
so much going on, you're not always going to get people out to your shows,
and in a lot of the places you're getting paid based on how many people
you bring in - and you can't play every week and accomplish that."
She is currently working on her next CD, which she hopes to be a blend
the folky style of her first album and the electricity of her second. "I
participated in a song writing circle in July, and I met another
songwriter there. "We started working together - we're doing three songs
and after that we'll see what happens. "
Jen has not yet set a date for a release. "I want to take my time on
the next one because I want it to be a combination of the things I liked
on the first CD and the things I liked on the second CD, representing the
things that I am writing now a little bit better."
We inquired Jen how her creative process works, and she told me that
she mostly writes words and music at the same time. Now that she is
beginning to collaborate with other writers, she joins them with a
semi-finished idea of the song. "I try to bring my lyrics with a somewhat
finished melody - almost in a finished state to people and then we work
through it together(co-writers, musicians, etc.) - that's the best way
that I do it. I haven't had much experience writing a song from scratch,
but that's going to be the next thing."
In the majority of her gigs, Jen plays almost one hundred percent
original songs. "I played a coffee house the other night and I played some
covers, but when I play places like The Bitter End or colleges I
play only original songs." When covers are played, she performs whatever
she is in the mood to play, such as songs by Shawn Colvin, The Indigo
Girls, Bruce Springsteen and others. "Just whatever songs hit me. "
Has she ever felt any kind of prejudice or sexist attitude due to the
fact that she is a woman performer. She says that she never had any kind
of problem, except when she went into music stores. In a recent occasion,
she went guitar shopping with two male friends and she did not get the
appropriate attention. But apart from that, she says she "gets a lot of
support from people. "
Her feelings as a female performer are sometimes reflected in her
songs. "One area where it comes out for me a lot is in my writing. Other
than the relationship issues that I've written about, I think that a lot
of times in my songs it just comes out like the way people see me or the
way I see myself in all of this."
Upon looking at her, one wonders if her good looks have been an asset
or a burden for her music. "What I think is (I guess I'm setting myself a
million years back by saying this) most of the places I play, people are
very respectful. They look past just this ( the looks) - and yes, they
look at this, but I believe mostly they look past it."
"There are some places that I'll go in and I think 'you know what? If
it gets them to listen and gets them to buy a CD, then so be it, and I
guess you have to work with what you have (laughs). But I believe that
people look and then they listen. People want to be touched by music, and
get something out of it - maybe that's naïve of me, but I like to be
positive about this."
Jen participated in the latest edition of V-Day at Madison Square
Garden where she performed alongside various female celebrities to a
sold-out crowd. She describes her participation in the event as by far the
coolest experience of her life. "It was scary as hell! I mean, who gets to
play at Madison Square Garden? "
Maybe it was a teenage dream come true? "Of course", she said. "But you
usually work towards it so you're ready when you get there."
" It was kind of random, but it was great. It forced me to have a focus
that I didn't think I had, and now that I'm capable of that I sort of
started to carry myself a little differently. "
Jen was not star-struck by being performing in front of so many
celebrities. "It was such an honor to participate in such a great event.
My roommate came and she said 'Do you understand that Oprah was watching
you play, and Brooke Shields was leaning forward in her chair watching you
as well?' I said, 'No, I was looking at the two people on stage with me,
focusing on what I was doing"
The interview ended by asking her where she mostly like playing at.
"New York, by far", she says. "Because Boston is easier - people sit and
listen, but here it is much harder, since there are so many singers and
songwriters in town. "
"People are going to choose what they're going to do at night, and
there is so much good music here. No matter what I'm doing, there's always
someone else out there who's doing it better, different, worse, but it's
all out there - which makes me more grateful that people do come out, they
listen and it makes me want to work much harder when they come out and
don't listen - it's a humbling experience but it's also great
learning."
Ernest Barteldes is an ESL, GED and Portuguese teacher. In addition to
that, he is a freelance writer whose work has been published by The
Greenwich Village Gazette, The Staten Island Advance, The Staten Island
Register, The SI Muse,The Downtown Express, Brazzil magazine,The Villager
, GLSSite, Entertainment Today and other publications. He lives in Staten
Island, NY. He can be reached at
ebarteldes@nycny.net
photos for this article by Ernest Barteldes